tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post255595451649219734..comments2023-08-04T08:58:48.750+01:00Comments on Discourse with Dr. Tilde: Discourse 348: The Fulani and the Genocide Dream of JangDr. Aliyu U. Tildehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09289324801389455491noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-90694895496350964582012-07-20T13:10:08.925+01:002012-07-20T13:10:08.925+01:00This is indeed a good piece and very educative. We...This is indeed a good piece and very educative. We now know one side of the equation. The Fulani side. I wish someone will be objective enough to keep prejudice aside to narrate on the side of the Beroms. I believe the Fulanis are not innocent too but the have been voiceless and as a result they have been more victimised than other tribes within the plateau. There is no gain saying that Fulanis are undefeated and resilient, in this modern world, that was history, no one fights wars of land conquests anymore but of resources. Though the fight can be linked but there are simple solutions to this, provided the Governor is willing to dialogue.<br /><br />Grazing lands can be identified and farming restricted if the govt is willing. Anyone found farming there can be prosecuted. But also farm lands should not be used for grazing by the herdsmen and anyone found with his cows should be prosecuted. That is easy.<br /><br />For those raining insults on Dr. Tilde, I wish you have proffered solutions rather than abuses. No wonder Nigeria is where it is. We never think beyond our sentiments. Even Dr. Tilde unfortunately could not resist being swayed. The Fulanis also have their problems of being stubborn just like other tribes do. So do we go on killing one another for cows to exist? Do we go on killing one another just for the sake of superiority of race? On the other hand, how long shall we continue to be intolerant of each other because some people came to occupy and area before others? So who is a settler and who is indigenous? Are we not all settlers one way or another as history has shown? Does the constitution of Nigeria recognise this new coinage of "settler" that is making some people justify killing others? So why should a people be driven out of a place in this nation called Nigeria because they came later to stay in any given geographic entity? Ethnicity and superiority of race no longer matters in this world. It has gone down with primitiveness and apartheid. If humanity allows us to roam the world freely and live in peace with anyone, then we must uphold such. If the Fulani came later to the plateau it should not make him any less a citizen of the Nigerian State and that he does not deserve to survive there. Saying he is a settler is incorrect and inappropriate. Just the way the Beroms have settled their earlier does not take away the fact that they too can be referred to as settlers. Saying I am a Yoruba, Hausa or Igbo means nothing but mere IDs and symbols for descriptions. Bottom line is we are all humans. When people start by saying they identify with their tribe before being Nigerians, then we have a problem. So Jang should be a father for all in Plateau and Fulanis should respect the plight of others. Just like cattle raring is their life, so also is farming the life wire of many others. Bottom line? DIALOGUE, TOLERANCE, ACCOMMODATING each other and RESPECT!Babagana Gashinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-12769997826000938472012-07-18T13:36:07.816+01:002012-07-18T13:36:07.816+01:00To be honest, I am not familiar with happenings in...To be honest, I am not familiar with happenings in Pleateau, so it is difficult for me to know who the aggressor is. The world is changing and it is time the Fulani elites look into how grazing is done in other climes and encourage their people to mend their ways...I am a from the SouthWest of Nigeria,the Fulanis are the aggressor most often than not,they always leave behind sorrow, tears and blood whenever people have any confrontation with them about the excesses of their cattles.Sulaimon Hakeem Bolarinwanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-70018035199630623802012-07-16T23:52:21.507+01:002012-07-16T23:52:21.507+01:00Thank you Dr Tilde for this courageous piece that ...Thank you Dr Tilde for this courageous piece that voiced out the concerns of Fulani minorities in the Plateau. I appreciate your deep feelings in tthis matter because like you, I too have fulani blood running in my veins. I equally believe that the directive of the FG to the Defense Headquarters to evacuate and ransack Fulani settlements in Plateau State is gross violation of the fundamental human rights of the fulani race in Nigeria. My advise is the Fulani elite should file their case to the ICC at Hague. Secondly, the fulani elite must wake up from slumber to redeem their kinsmen. They mudt put resources together to establish grazing reserves as businesses, and stop our brothers and sisters from their vagrancy. The world is changing fast, and so must we. If all our economic strength and display of ill-gotten wealth, we can't rescue our kins, then our wealth is useless. We may see more evacuationss and military actions in our communities. We should notforget that the rest of niigeria is now turning against us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-83486263434144716992012-07-16T15:30:21.817+01:002012-07-16T15:30:21.817+01:00Steps Igbos took .1) Avoid contest wit older arriv...Steps Igbos took .1) Avoid contest wit older arrivals 4 political office. 2) Change biznes or its location when older arrivals start complaining.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-60510670338133838402012-07-16T15:06:57.767+01:002012-07-16T15:06:57.767+01:00Dr Tilde Question 2. Who meet who on plateau? Bero...Dr Tilde Question 2. Who meet who on plateau? Beroms or Fulanis. Just as juniors respect seniors, d late arrivals should respect d earlier occupants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-75649724273904366522012-07-16T14:56:45.101+01:002012-07-16T14:56:45.101+01:00Well written article Sir. I sincerely can't im...Well written article Sir. I sincerely can't imagine nor comprehend the level of bitterness that is being portrayed. People that lived together and played together are now tasty for each others blood.........the actions of the JTF and Jang are worrisome and with an ineffective President, I am scared to imagine what<br /> this country will be like come 2015.Ahmed Badawinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-56193323733833933152012-07-16T14:51:17.246+01:002012-07-16T14:51:17.246+01:00Dr Tilde pls answer this questn. If Nigeria exist ...Dr Tilde pls answer this questn. If Nigeria exist up 2 2500AD can a Fulani claim 2 b an indigene of Lagos base on residing 4 more than 500yrs in LagosAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-9906722146053619562012-07-16T14:47:44.124+01:002012-07-16T14:47:44.124+01:00Dr Tilde pls answer this questn. If Nigeria exist ...Dr Tilde pls answer this questn. If Nigeria exist up 2 2500AD can a Fulani claim 2 b an indigene of Lagos base on residing 4 more than 500yrs in LagosAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-23877806240533625762012-07-16T14:47:35.216+01:002012-07-16T14:47:35.216+01:00Dr Tilde pls answer this questn. If Nigeria exist ...Dr Tilde pls answer this questn. If Nigeria exist up 2 2500AD can a Fulani claim 2 b an indigene of Lagos base on residing 4 more than 500yrs in LagosAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-63362355615490583802012-07-16T13:23:36.562+01:002012-07-16T13:23:36.562+01:00Dr look inward the problem is the fulanis. Why is ...Dr look inward the problem is the fulanis. Why is it that everywhere we go all we here of is fulani people attacking other tribes. In ondo, Oyo, Nassarawa and Benue or is it Berom that are in this places I mentionedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-5838267481733360232012-07-16T05:35:19.618+01:002012-07-16T05:35:19.618+01:00My mind exactly. What gIves the fulanI man the gra...My mind exactly. What gIves the fulanI man the grazIng rIght where ever grass can be found IrrespectIve of the wIsh of tjthe owners of the land.alloverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06552711772317149591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-28892928507187160932012-07-16T02:04:50.688+01:002012-07-16T02:04:50.688+01:00What also is responsible for the continued existen...What also is responsible for the continued existence of the state of Isreal, surrounded by enemies? The hand of a Mighty God! If not for Him, Isreal will have been completely destroyed. So the comment on palestian's existence is not enough for comparison in this case! Enough is enough! Where some people just take laws into their hands and cause damage and attacks senselessly.....esecially in the name of a Jihad or fighting for a deity.....The sanctity of the human life should be paramount as no man can boast of giving life ar creating a human being.....We are all created by God and have the right to life...God will avenge the cause of His children, no matter how long....And I believe it is already happening....that explains the curse on the North...too much innocent blood has been spilled repeatedly for so many years now..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-30789187454641905622012-07-16T01:53:43.128+01:002012-07-16T01:53:43.128+01:00@ Dr. Tilde, you have tabled your facts and arguem...@ Dr. Tilde, you have tabled your facts and arguements on this lingering issue facing the Plateau...You are pure Fulani, but I also have Fulani blood running in my vein,and of South-West origin....The question that suffices, Is that why does it have to be the Fulani's all the time???? Your arguements seem loop-sided and biased,dignifying the Fulanis's and his 'masters' right to graze....I lived on the Plateau too and very well understand how difficult and troublesome the Fulani heardsmen are.....an earlier contributor mentioned that it will get to a point where the Fulani herdsman will claim right to every land with green grass including his father's backyard....and that was my experience....the stubborn fulani man will lead his cattle to graze in my father's backyard....being driven severally but still makes his way back and cause damage to our pop-corn and other plants...Can this trend happen in any part of the North,by any other trinbe like the Yoruba or Ibo! NO SIR! Its high time you and your herdsmen brothers come to terms with reality and learn to know and abide by your bounds....Sir, you are an academician of repute and I expect you to argue and present your lines without trying to justify the antecedents of your fulani history....How I wish Gov. Lawal of Kwara State (of blessed memories) was still alive...they Afonja's were victims of the inhumanity of the Fulani's selfish escapades.....as an academician,I espect you to desist from inferred blackmail and empty threats, as this can also amount to TREASONABLE offences against the Nigerian State... Your pronouncements and tone is very inciting and prefer you make your points and demands plain and candid, rather than breathing revenge and vengence....because I need grass for my cattle 'animals' doesn't mean I will trample on others means of livelihood..in the middle-belt,in the south-west, in the south-south, in the south-east, one name keeps recurring...and that is the Fulani! Why them always! Are they the only tribe in the world...they always cause trouble wherever they go...you obviosly grew up with this mind set,hence your bias! It may just have been you that tresspassed into my father's backyard on the Plateau or wherever you claim to have raised your cattle....If you had been shot in the leg then, I want to believe you would have argued more objectively! Jang is not the problem, but a Messiah, try to save his people from imminent anihilation from the visitors- the fulanis! Can a yoruba or ibo man who has was born and raised in core Northern States as I was ever lay claims to Sokoto, Kano or even Borno State? Never...no more....This is a grand plan by the Hausa-fulanis to forcefully occupy and spread territories, and if they can succeed, wikk rather destroy such a place! This is the summary of the Plateau issue.Maybe when the cattle are exterminated, the fulanis will learn to live and behave as human beings, rather than exhibit animalistic tendencies in this age and time.....Please Sir, excercise caution in subsequent write-ups as this flagrant justification of claiming territories and shedding innocent blood in the name of thirst and hunger for mere animals that end up in our bellies is unwarranted! The blood of these innocent women and children will never be in vain...Even God will not watch this happen for ever as you threthen....He will definitely avenge the blood of these harmless people...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-60291756313689165702012-07-16T01:26:36.025+01:002012-07-16T01:26:36.025+01:00Am a fulani with a mother from Nassarawa state and...Am a fulani with a mother from Nassarawa state and I just can't help agreeing with some of the commentators above about the complicity of my people in some of the conflicts. Wether we accept it or not, Dr a lot of our brethrens are ignorant, crude and can be very selfish e.g just some few years back, a maternal Uncle of mine was nearly slauthered in his farm in Kadarko, Nassarawa state by a fulani simply because my Uncle talked to the fulani Man against letting his cows graze on his farm, just last month a lot of Alago, Migili n Gwandara villages in Nassarawa state were invaded by fulanis for the same reasons above.what am trying to show here is what u Dr are deliberately ignoring and in the process causing more hatred amongst people.A commentator above presented an argument about his family members being killed in cold blood but so far I hv not seen even a word of sympathy from u or any of the fulani warriors on the Net. Do those people deserve to die like that, are fulanis completely innocent,etc these are some of the issues u r suppose to be talking about not bragging about our ability to revenge.violence only breeds violence and as the Hausas say " in ka san farkon fitina baka san karshen sa ba" everyone would suffer in the event of any conflict. Allah hoinuAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-59720481220225831712012-07-15T23:07:18.481+01:002012-07-15T23:07:18.481+01:00Thanks Dr. Tilde for your indept information.It is...Thanks Dr. Tilde for your indept information.It is important for Jang and his cohorts,Biroms, know that Hausa/Fulani can not be eliminated in Jos, and as a matter of fact, anywhere! As rightly pointed out by Dr, the Fulanis have never rely on anybody for their protection. They protected themsleves in pass and they will do so now and in future.It is also important to note that, if only a race can be easily eliminated,Palatines could have been eliminated since 1948. And if only displacing 1500 people in four Villages only is not a genocide, then what took place in Bosnia and Rwanda is not also a genocide.Tahir Abubakarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-73297991058099606672012-07-15T22:39:42.407+01:002012-07-15T22:39:42.407+01:00Let all peace loving Nigerians pray with sincerity...Let all peace loving Nigerians pray with sincerity that whoever is the one militating against peace on the plateau and Nigeria at large, May God Almighty destroy him and his supporters.Rilwannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-89199304260837330702012-07-15T19:58:14.471+01:002012-07-15T19:58:14.471+01:00Dr tilde, ur article and responses are apt, but to...Dr tilde, ur article and responses are apt, but tone down on the emotions. Allah saka.Umar Tnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-32147882590070573112012-07-15T19:40:10.237+01:002012-07-15T19:40:10.237+01:00Thank you all for your comments.
I have deleted s...Thank you all for your comments.<br /><br />I have deleted some abusive ones though.<br /><br />I think I need to write a short piece on how several peace talks initiated by the Fulani were turned down by Berom leaders, just for the information of my readers. I was central to the biggest one which took place in 2010. It convened after Dogo Nahauwa under the auspices of the offices of the NSA, the Sultan and the Gbong Gwom.<br /><br />I still believe peace is the answer. Now that the Berom have seen that they cannot win the war, perhaps, they may be ready to embrace peace. That is if the cleansing agenda is abandoned. How can the Berom negotiate with people that are not Nigerians, asked their paramount Emperor, Jang. Imagine.<br /><br />Some readers are accusing me of prejudice. I know too much about this conflict to sit on the fence. My inconsequential pen is a voice for the weak. The Nigerian press is there for the strong and the sacred - Jang, his money and his people. I am not cut for the ambivalence of the Nigerian elite when my people are undergoing genocide. I am sorry.Dr. Aliyu U. Tildehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09289324801389455491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-20415884280576507442012-07-15T16:23:50.283+01:002012-07-15T16:23:50.283+01:00Common Sense is truly not common as far as this po...Common Sense is truly not common as far as this post is concerned!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-83596422223139516602012-07-15T16:05:39.431+01:002012-07-15T16:05:39.431+01:00@anonymous
Dr tilda talks as if he is oblivious t...@anonymous <br />Dr tilda talks as if he is oblivious to attacks by fulani herdsman in other parts of the country. Places like Nassarawa, Benue, Cross River etc. His perspective on this issue is unbaised to an extent. I would also love his perspective on these other attacks and then lets know if their govrrnors are responsible.<br />Notwithstanding, i still agree with him on the point that Gov Jang has a closed system of government.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06696188764806665122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-79220748091715433452012-07-15T15:13:52.185+01:002012-07-15T15:13:52.185+01:00The problem is not limited to plateau alone sir. J...The problem is not limited to plateau alone sir. Just last week, fulani herdsmen were in conflict with yorubas in Yelwa local govt of Ogun state. The problem wit Fulanis is that they believe that where ever the land is green is theirs to occupy even if it's my father's backyard. Sir, with all due respect, shud this be right?<br />Why is the problem limited to Berom in Plateau? The answer is, there is an agenda been served by the sponsors of the Fulani herdsmen. Don't blame for this conspiracy theory, the fact on ground point to this fact. Yes, they have sponsors from the core north. The attacks on the 10 villages were too cordinated to have been from herdsmen alone. Even members of JTF were reported to have run upon hearing the sounds of the gun. Jonah Jang high-handedness and tribalism are not also helping matters. I also partly blame him for the problems on Plateau. Berom farmers are also inalienably entitled to the produce of their lands, don't they? Why should Fulanis in their quest for survival eliminate other people's rights to survive? Dr. Tilde, stop been one-sided. I know you are a Fulani but then try to also point out the faults of the herdsmen. Stop dignifying their wrongs. At one point or the other, Fulanis are victimised but not in all cases. <br />On your suggested path to peace, I beg to disagree. You are probably wrong. How can you reach a compromise with the Fulanis? They don't forgive neither do they forget. They believe in total elimination. They believe extremely in the superiority of the laws of nature - Let the weak perish while the strong survive (pls correct me if am wrong). Your suggestion can only work if you can serve as a link between the 2 parties. Otherwise, Berom had better known that the only path to peace is WAR.Kunle Ayonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-19509739043426088782012-07-15T07:04:49.346+01:002012-07-15T07:04:49.346+01:00Good write up tilde. But allow them they will suff...Good write up tilde. But allow them they will suffer for this economically in the long run.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-66797340008632046852012-07-15T02:31:47.518+01:002012-07-15T02:31:47.518+01:00Many thanks for the writer and also the commentato...Many thanks for the writer and also the commentators. Enougth is enougth. Jang as a governor in the state is just like HIV/aids in the state.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11068345441732234479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-61247127414591642032012-07-14T22:44:14.050+01:002012-07-14T22:44:14.050+01:00Dr. Tilde, I'm yet to read a write up from you...Dr. Tilde, I'm yet to read a write up from your goodself that is no objective. Please keep it up and God continue to protect you and your likes. The situation of governance in Plateau state is,to say the least, unfortunate. However,any child that denies his mother going to sleep, he too can not sleep;priod! May Plateau and Nigeria as whole regain peace and harmony among citizens.Basheernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-22142970103326728202012-07-14T22:26:26.626+01:002012-07-14T22:26:26.626+01:00You make it sound as if the Fulani herdsmen are si...You make it sound as if the Fulani herdsmen are simple peace loving nomads whose only interest is their survival and that of their cattle, but evidence abound all over the country of their violent nature to which you have also alluded to in your write ups. The same way you presented the book haram criminals as the victims of government policy and high handedness. When are you and your ilks in the North going to accept responsibility for your lack of foresight and religious bigotry? Why can't we have forest reserve aided by the technology of modern river basin to create abundant grazing ground for your Fulani brothers and their cattles. The same way you refused to educate your youths but instead brainwashed them with an ideology that is so backward and unreasonable as to make them desire death than life. <br />Tilde, you are a hypocrite who shout Allah Akbar in the day time and do ignoble things in secret. You are worse than Boko Haram. It is people like you that should be wiped out of Nigeria if we must have peace.<br />It is even a shame that you call yourself a Doctor. May Allah in his infinite mercy rid us of charlatans like you. AmeenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com