tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post9008721752115907047..comments2023-08-04T08:58:48.750+01:00Comments on Discourse with Dr. Tilde: Discourse 321. Boko Haram and the Military: A Dialogue of Bombs and BulletsDr. Aliyu U. Tildehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09289324801389455491noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-23492482380279985212011-08-14T04:23:44.690+01:002011-08-14T04:23:44.690+01:00Abubakar Bala Iam amazed by your line of reasoning...Abubakar Bala Iam amazed by your line of reasoning. We are talking about practical incidents that happened; you are quoting theories that might not even be genuinely believed by those that invented the quotes. You retorted to blindly defending the military instead of investigating all the allegations leveled against them first. We are not saying Nigerian Army are not resilient or not rated high in the eyes of the world, neither are we attempting to degrade their triple “A” rating, but all we are saying is that this time around, some of them committed atrocities in Maiduguri. For God’s sake sponsor a comprehensive investigation and come out with your findings. By so doing, we measure you with high esteem and quantum. Common sense told us that we believe more where there is clear evidence and disbelief you serious if you retorted to blind defense of military. To me your action is akin to someone cautioning you that there is snake under your bed and instead of waking up to take precaution, you busted: “No snake dim fit enter my room” till the following day you were found bleeding. Which one is better, waking up and searching under the bed to reassure yourself that there is no snake and by extension saving yourself and your family or continue defending arrogantly the un-defendable. I hope you understand the above parables Abubakar, my brother.Salsalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-59726614270868416252011-07-19T18:03:26.247+01:002011-07-19T18:03:26.247+01:00The 1990 constitution state the duties of the mili...The 1990 constitution state the duties of the military as follows<br />a. Defending the country from external aggression <br />b. Maintaining its borders from violation <br />c. Suppressing insurgency and acting in aid of civil authorities to resolves order and <br />D. Performing any other functions as may be determined by the national assembly.<br />As you can see the military intervention in Borno state is in line with the constitution, The Nigerian constitution has clearly spell out the minded the military need to suppress insurgency and to restore order, the military option may not be more than a show of force, which seeks to remind the adversary of the possibility of the physical application of force if the need, arises.<br /> Richard Haass argues that military interventions can be classified by other purposes than offensive or defensive; these are deterrence, coercion, punishment, peacekeeping, war fighting, humanitarian goals and rescue missions.<br />On the other hand, John Stuart justifies forcible intervention in two cases. One is the case in which one of the parties is of high, and the other of very low grade of social improvement. The other case is that of a people struggling against a foreign yoke, or against a native tyranny upheld by foreign arms. Outside intervention by force is therefore, advocated on the basis of self-determination, but not for self-government. <br />The first precautionary principle that could justify military intervention is ‘right intention’ which requires that the primary purpose of any intervention must be to halt or avert human suffering. This is regardless of all other motives an intervening state may have. The second principle is the ‘last resort’, which demands that all non-military options for the prevention or peaceful resolution of crisis be exhausted before intervening. <br />Nigeria army is regarded all over the world as a conventional force to reckon with, a force that adhere to military discipline and role of law to highest standard. Attest to these claims is the number of United Nations missions the force undertook, this professionalism earns her 4th position on United Nations ranking. All these will not come easy handed, if all the allegations people made were true, in all her missions abroad no one particular incidence where the force is indicted, either on rape or looting as claim by the people of Borno state. <br /><br />Here one is not exonerating the military completely, some of them may not control they emotions seen they fallen comrade in pool of bloods, this may leads to excessive use of force, bearing in mind, all soldiers on any type of mission must carry with them AIDE-MEMOIRE (SOLDIERS CARD) therein enshrine Roles of engagement (ROE) which clearly state that. <br /><br />1. Any force used must be limited in its intensity and duration to what is necessary to achieve the authorized objective and must be commensurate with the level of the threat. In some cases, operational urgency may dictate the immediate use of deadly force.<br /><br />2. Use force only when absolutely necessary to achieve your immediate aim, to protect yourself, it further state that,<br /><br />3. The use of force, including deadly force, shall only be resorted to if all other means to control the situation have failed or do not hold any promise of achieving the authorized objective.<br /><br /><br />4. The decision to open fire shall be made only on the order and under the control of the on-scene Commander, unless there is insufficient time to obtain such an order. Before opening fire, give a final warning at least three times, either in Hausa, Kanuri or Arabic, which is the widely spoken national language in the mission area, or in English which is also an official language of the National Government:<br /><br />In addition to above mentioned roles, the principles of minimum force and proportionality are applied at all times and in all circumstances.Abubakar Bala Garba Murinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-66375438895583088982011-07-14T09:35:05.180+01:002011-07-14T09:35:05.180+01:00Thanks a lot Dr. Aliyu for such an exhaustive arti...Thanks a lot Dr. Aliyu for such an exhaustive article , it put things in the right perspective .<br />To be honest to everyone, deep inside my heart, I hate the call for division of this country, not because I feel the north will be at disadvantage(at least, nothing will stop the kind of Buhari from becoming the president), but, because I feel that it may not favour anyone and that the evil forces that is pulling us apart, is not in anyway stronger than the actual force that put us together. But if that is the solution to all these innate hatred against the northerners (hausa/fulani/kanuri/e.t.c)let it be! <br />Dr. Aliyu in your article you accurately described every region of this country, and I must say, I like the right adjective you used to describe the north "complacent"! It is sad to notice that even the most enlighten southerners hardly understand the nature and norms of Nigerians other than their regional people, this is contrary to what is noticeable among the northerners, even the illiterate northerner is well informed. That was why from the first beginning, the late Sir Ahmad Bello warned their leaders that it is better we understand each other before coming together, rather than the claimed by some of their leaders that we should forget our differences and come together.<br />However, I am happy that at last the Borno respectful elders have spoken, keeping mute and seeing the ancient city been devastated is no in anyway the best decision. I appeal to them to go down to the root of the crises by exposing their unscrupulous sons whom were allegedly accused to be the cause behind the crises and bring them to book(is better to sacrifice few sons, than entire people), only this will resolve this crises and restore order.<br />Finally, Dr. Aliyu I disagree with you for appealing to Boko Haram leaders to "refine their arguments and project them as demand for restructuring of this country". I think the Boko Haram have a wrong starting, their intention is clear and plane, it has completely contradict our (the like of you and me) visions for the north, we condemn their actions when they started and now we are condemning the actions of Federal Government aftermath; following the killings of innocent citizens alongside their leader, because both are wrong! Instead let the well meaning northerners(those with remains of respect and people like you)to champion this course for restructuring the country !muhalisuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14073498121532314832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-87541683795235701972011-07-14T07:55:08.835+01:002011-07-14T07:55:08.835+01:00This Boko Haram menace will consume this whole cou...This Boko Haram menace will consume this whole country if something is not done about. It is only Allah that can deliver us from the clutches of evilKabeer M Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17534800683608852089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-69826395258370847022011-07-13T19:40:08.341+01:002011-07-13T19:40:08.341+01:00Well, I believe Dr Tilde was right in his castigat...Well, I believe Dr Tilde was right in his castigation of the Police and Military tactics in quelling riots and the Boko Haram-like incidents in this country. The Army and Police only succeeded in showing to us that they never understood their lessons in those institutions, or that they forgot that they were not a revenge mission. Defending here, those misadventures and clear human rights abuses, by anybody won't help matters.GIMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11395719026325611530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-19434568190235779892011-07-13T14:58:17.860+01:002011-07-13T14:58:17.860+01:00Dr Tilde, Thank you very much for your write up. U...Dr Tilde, Thank you very much for your write up. Unfortunately, you have decided to toe the line that has perpetually escalated similar problems in the past. While accepting the fact that the fight against Boko Haram is predominantly an Intelligence war that might not necessarily be won by simply putting soldiers on the streets, I would suggest that you refrain from comments that would depict our soldiers as babarians thereby causing them to lose the public support they require to carry out their duties effectively. In case you want to know what they are taught in staff and defence colleges, please take a trip to these colleges and you would be surprised that these men, who have sworn to pay the supreme sacrifice for your sake and my sake, are well knowledgeable in war crimes than you can imagine. They certainly do not deserve the castigation you are pouring out to them. <br /><br />In the case of reported attrocities by these soldiers, I will suggest you take your time to investigate before you go public and not base your write up by hearsays. Dont forget that Boko Haram has elements in several quarters of this country, who are ready to sponsor propaganda to discredit the military in order to reduce its potency by depriving it of public support. Maybe you are still ignorant of how Al Qaeda operates, or maybe you think that Boko Haram does not have affiliation to international terrorism as pepertrated by Al Qaeda. Please look closely in between the lines. Except we put all hands on deck to fight this extremism, we will be worse off than Afghanistan or Iraq. Your suggestion of appealing to the leaders of Boko Haram is laughable to say the least. The reason is that these guys dont reason like normal human beings. So u need to know their psyche to be able to tackle them effectively. Please ask the Israelis and you will know better. <br /><br />The military may have made some mistakes in handling certain issues. But I believe we are not training hoodlums in the military, though they are bound to over react when the civilians they have sworn to defend now end up attacking them. The deployment of the military will not immediately halt attacks by Boko Haram, but it will reduce the effeciency of their activities until they can be stopped. <br /><br />Arms are being imported into this country by high people in the society, who are supporting thius sect. Our spiritual leaders are indoctrinating these youngsters, who are mostly uneducated, to fight western education for which they are beneficiaries of. I can tell you this, for those that are formenting trouble in this country, they will be the first victims when this country eventually begin to implode.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-46335929637538253532011-07-13T14:45:39.461+01:002011-07-13T14:45:39.461+01:00A good write up.The Army should clear itself from ...A good write up.The Army should clear itself from these terrible allegations.Those advising the governmment not sit down with Boko Haram are not doing any good to the government and Nigerians.If Nigerian Government can sit down on a round table with the Niger Delta militants what 's wrong in sitting down on negotiations table with the Boko haram.Pumping Billions to the security agencies will not save the situation, buying armoured vehicles and other weapons will not solve it too.The more the military comfront these youth the more they are getting experience and the more they get recruits.As suggested in the write up if we are going our own ways we better do it in peace rather than in pieces.What held Nigeria togather ' in the past was some relative justice.In my veiws, the FG should sit down and discuss with them, they are Nigerians.If America can sit down on a dialogue table with Taliban of Afganistan on one side and and the American representative on another side, I see no reason why the FG will not sit down with the Boko Haram representatives to discuss the matter.In my veiws if this issue is not properly handled it will lead to a much bigger problem than we are seeing today To the Boko Haram I want them to consider the lives of the innocent citizens being lost every day by stating their grivances and the solutions to the debacle in their own veiws, by so doing then the Government will look in to these grievances one after the other.We should also note that this Boko Haram started in Just Maiduguri, now its in Niger State,Kaduna and so many places.My major fear is this some bad elements might take this opportunity to start attacking places of worships just to escalte the mayham.Shamsuddeenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02512221791741937507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-26545620598409708892011-07-13T13:22:52.698+01:002011-07-13T13:22:52.698+01:00Nigeria is only together because of the external f...Nigeria is only together because of the external factorsEnejohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00422870929984007283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-91101807916921908772011-07-13T12:30:29.504+01:002011-07-13T12:30:29.504+01:00The inaccuracy of ranks of officers not withstand...The inaccuracy of ranks of officers not withstanding, the allegation of rape has been corroborated by Borno Elders Forum in the Daily Trust today:<br /><br />"The elders said military intervention was not the best option for the problem in Maiduguri. “The soldiers have been burning down cars, killing innocent passersby, looting private property, harassing innocent passerby and even rapping young girls.”<br /><br />The names of these elders is noteworthy:<br />"The forum’s statement was signed by Shettima Ali Monguno, the Imam Idaini of Borno Imam Baba GanaAsil, Alhaji Garba Abba Satomi, Alhaji Bukar Bolori, Alhaji Usman Gaji Galtimari, Alhaji Kyari Sandabe, Brigadier General Abba Kyari (rtd), Air Vice Marshal Al-amin Daggash (rtd) and Shettima Ali Kidaji. Other signatories were Ambassador Ahmed Yusufari, AIG Zanna Laminu Mamadi, AIG Muktar Alkali, Alhaji Tijjani Bolori, Alhaji Bulama Mali Gubio, Alhaji Umar Abba Shuwa, Alhaji Ibrahim El-Zubairu, Mallam Ibrahim Mustapha and Alhaji Gambo Gubio"<br /><br />I will advise the army to take this allegation seriously. <br /><br />Thank you for the corrections and the information that Maina is still serving. Please let him be sent to Maiduguri. I believe he will make a difference.Dr. Aliyu U. Tildehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09289324801389455491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-40163883665368353782011-07-13T11:01:25.078+01:002011-07-13T11:01:25.078+01:00Thank you very much Dr Tilde for this very enlight...Thank you very much Dr Tilde for this very enlightening and interesting piece. Although the title is about the Military and Boko Haram, it captures the essence of the whole saga. However, I would like to point out that the spokesperson for the Joint Task Force is Colonel Victor, while Brigadier General (not Lt Col) Raphael Isa is the Director of Army Public Relations. I doubt very much the allegation of rape, please check your facts very well. As for Major General Saleh Maina, he is still in service at the Defence Headquarters. Again, you were too mild on the Boko Haram because whatever they are doing does not in anyway tally with teachings of Islam therefore, they must desist from killing innocent people forthwith. I quite agree with you that it is about time to really sit down and talk about this union called Nigeria; whether it should continue and if so, under which term?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-50239715091446211962011-07-13T10:47:20.026+01:002011-07-13T10:47:20.026+01:00Dr Tilde, good one! However your article weighs mo...Dr Tilde, good one! However your article weighs more on the consequences of the intervention of the military which you perceive as causing human right abuses and not what caused the intervention in the first place- the mindless killing of innocent citizens and unwanton destruction by the Boko Haram Sect. You and some other opinion moulders in the North can do more - mobilize traditional, political and religious leaders in the north to discourage members of the Sect from killing people by putting a barn on clerics that preach hatred and proper interpretation of the Islamic faith; and educating the public that achieving a peaceful society where everybody has the freedom to flourish irrepective of faith is much realizable than an ismalic Shariah State. In that way, there will be no need for military intervention and all of us collectively will focus our attention on government in demanding for good governance and the pursuit of happiness which is the desire of all of us!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-87451609164555662442011-07-13T10:20:48.305+01:002011-07-13T10:20:48.305+01:00Salam,
Dr. you have said it all, i hope the govern...Salam,<br />Dr. you have said it all, i hope the government and all stakeholders will heed to the suggestions offered.Y. Garbanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-17929546026899572092011-07-13T09:09:37.530+01:002011-07-13T09:09:37.530+01:00SALAM.
AS FAR BACK AS 1995, I MET SOME ONE WHO SHA...SALAM.<br />AS FAR BACK AS 1995, I MET SOME ONE WHO SHARES MY IDEA OF DEMALGAMATION, NOW MY BROTHER, DR. TILDE IS SUGGESTING THESAME. ALL ALONG THE CALL WAS FROM THE OTHER END OF THE NIGER NOW THAT WE THAT ARE CONSIDERED AS "BURDEN OR PARASITES" ARE MAKING THE SAME CALL, LETS JUST GO AHEAD AND DEMALGAMATE. A SOVEREIGN CONFERENCE SHOULD BE ARRANGE BY 2014 TO REVIEW WHAT WAS DONE IN 1914.<br />DR. USMAN MODIBBODR. USMAN MODIBBOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-34081378721245713682011-07-13T08:24:42.171+01:002011-07-13T08:24:42.171+01:00Dr i think you are the first to said the mind of m...Dr i think you are the first to said the mind of many Nigerias. Mu yan Arewa mun gaji da wannan auren zoben...Allah ya hada kowa da rabon sa,AminSalisu Jibrin,Kadunanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-88570028233929417072011-07-13T05:40:23.633+01:002011-07-13T05:40:23.633+01:00What a beutiful & objective piece! We are look...What a beutiful & objective piece! We are looking forward 2 seing more of educative write-ups like this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-85382989310274241092011-07-13T01:24:39.174+01:002011-07-13T01:24:39.174+01:00Alhamdulillah dr have said all my mind, may Allah ...Alhamdulillah dr have said all my mind, may Allah make it easy for Nigerian govrenment to see on how to stop this, military from their deadly attacks on civilians, else many youths will turn to boko haram, to make it difficult for them to achieve any thing other than the bloodsheds.Sheriff Muhammad Ibrahim Almuhajirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06356122524814702577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-74915626380595756632011-07-12T23:57:25.218+01:002011-07-12T23:57:25.218+01:00The Ideology of BOKO HARAM is wide spreading day b...The Ideology of BOKO HARAM is wide spreading day by day. These was caused by the increase brutal killings of the innocent citizens by the soldiers in Maiduguri. Until and unless this situations were look into, and the suggestions and recommendations by Dr. Tilde, the Country will never be in peace.Salisunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-3643426351306880952011-07-12T23:32:43.390+01:002011-07-12T23:32:43.390+01:00Sir you have said it all boko haram is an idiology...Sir you have said it all boko haram is an idiology and believe that cannot be elliminated bythe barral of the gun rather by the means of dialogue, i appiel to the govt to step their arrogant head down and bow to face those and like suggested waysout.muhammad A. kumonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-34162048743684866742011-07-12T23:22:40.460+01:002011-07-12T23:22:40.460+01:00A wondeful contribution with so many attractions. ...A wondeful contribution with so many attractions. The one that catches my eyes most is the Lugadian amalgam of what is unfortunately called Nigeria today. Nigerians have for a very long time learned how to hate themselves. It will not amount to doing disservice to the Nation if the President should take presidence in working towards formulating simultaneous equations to gather all like terms in one place and solve. As you rightly pointed out, this would be a healthier solution than taking the path of the olden Sudan. The bulk of the Northerners are Moslems and are treated with indignation even by their fellow Southern Moslems. The Northern Christian leaders as much as their Southern counterparts have held hate mongering as a devisive tool being used against the Notherners at the slightest opportunity. So why the glue? I wonder! Let the country break up! Allah ya hada kowa da rabonsa.<br /><br />Thank you. Please give us more!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-31819192324563490102011-07-12T23:14:34.723+01:002011-07-12T23:14:34.723+01:00Dr. Aliyu you have spoken my mind. Boko haram is b...Dr. Aliyu you have spoken my mind. Boko haram is becoming a phenomena which can never be defeated by force. FGN is using wrong strategy which may soon metomophise into wider carnage. your suggestions demand no addition, however, the religious leaders, traditional rulers and other community leaders including retired public and civil servants from maidugri should meet and submit formally these deamands. My fear is that with Gaddafi being fired by NATO possibly he may seek shelter down the Sahara and any place were there is no peace will be his destination.Dr. Ahmadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11275327423476617205noreply@blogger.com