tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post5069713828271487001..comments2023-08-04T08:58:48.750+01:00Comments on Discourse with Dr. Tilde: Discourse 342. Professor Itse Sagay on Derivation: A Conflict Between Language and StatusDr. Aliyu U. Tildehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09289324801389455491noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-8262473826988937022012-04-20T23:35:30.441+01:002012-04-20T23:35:30.441+01:00Just finished reading ur discourse. Couldn't f...Just finished reading ur discourse. Couldn't find z time all these while but thank God I did. It's enlightening as well as interesting. It makes one want to cry for the wastages of our leaders particularly of northern extraction. May Allah salvage us the talakawas, amen.Barr. Mannir Dahirunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-75246992888133231612012-03-17T23:03:52.861+01:002012-03-17T23:03:52.861+01:00Kayi min dai dai mai baiwan rubutu. Allah sa Niger...Kayi min dai dai mai baiwan rubutu. Allah sa Niger Deltans su gane.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-14464439206664762312012-03-17T22:57:36.468+01:002012-03-17T22:57:36.468+01:00Haba Dr. Why do you bother yourself with all the a...Haba Dr. Why do you bother yourself with all the ants rantings from the South about oil? The oil will one day surely finish just like the cows, agricultural produce......etc etc etc from the north to feed the south have finished. I tell you ours will still be better because even at this moment we can find large numbers of unproductive donkeys to truck to the south for their meat. No matter what you do to these people they will insult you even as they have their dinners from our farms and hard labour. I refused for one to get disappointing with anyone of them including their most educated. I wished the time to get split came before now. Long live the north!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-20573534628045763922012-03-17T21:00:17.509+01:002012-03-17T21:00:17.509+01:00Dr Tilde,
Pls tell the prof, the people in the sou...Dr Tilde,<br />Pls tell the prof, the people in the south-south did not work for the oil and gas to be in their area. It is God Given Wealth to all Nigerians. Or you may ask the prof how much effort did they put for the oil to be in the Niger-Delter? No effort whatsoever.therefore they cannot deny me my share<br />of the action just because there is no oil in my area..<br />AliAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-71095281202336393402012-03-17T12:13:16.817+01:002012-03-17T12:13:16.817+01:00To! idan dai da kwadayi da wulakanci. Da fatan wan...To! idan dai da kwadayi da wulakanci. Da fatan wannan Blog din zai zamar mana gargadi mu tashi tsaye muyi developing din wuraren mu. The sooner we realize this the better. Everyone should take a time to check on how Lagos State is generating almost equivalent of what the whole Niger Delta region is generating. <br />Thanks a lot, once again.Shamsuddeennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-64232095076945039262012-03-16T20:28:57.553+01:002012-03-16T20:28:57.553+01:00Dr. I share your views on Prof. Let's assume h...Dr. I share your views on Prof. Let's assume he did not say so, even though he did not deny that. On your analysis about the future of Nigeria vis-a-vis the northern part thereof, anybody who believes in God and who knows how just God is, must deep inside his mind know that the northern part of this country, with it's teeming population is not left without nothing. Time will tell and history will judge you right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-47049411341191337842012-03-16T16:18:50.583+01:002012-03-16T16:18:50.583+01:00There recently was a meeting convened in Minna for...<b><br />There recently was a meeting convened in Minna for Northern leaders and leaders of thought. It was on this morning's (Friday 16th, 2012) front page of a Northern daily newspaper. This write-up from you tells me clearly why you (or people like you) will not feature in such a meeting. Unlike the conveners and attendees of that and similar recent gatherings, a greater majority of Northerners care very little about who owns what ill-gained oil block or fear that it might be revoked. <br /><br />Dr> Tilde, Whoever feeds fat on the current Nigerian arrangement will not see, or agree with, these issues from the same perspective as you have elucidated in your piece.<br /><br />The way things are now, 99% percent of northerners stand to be better off with any arrangement that unleashes their hard work and creativity - Niger Delta keeping their oil may be just one of such arrangements.<br /><br />I welcome federalism of any sort (true, false or loose) in Nigeria. I am of the strong belief that any component part of this great country, be it a region, state, tribe or individual, that is ready to feed from their sweat will not be the loser in a federalist arrangement.<br /><br />Oil contributes 90% of our revenue as a nation. Likewise, 90% of the corruption, laziness and indolence that has characterises us as nation can be traced to the curse of oil. <br /></b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-44922803128356312122012-03-16T04:21:10.510+01:002012-03-16T04:21:10.510+01:00Sine your eyes!
Just take a look at the nations k...Sine your eyes! <br />Just take a look at the nations known to be world economies vis-a-viz Japan, Taiwan, China, The Asian Tigers, etc with the exception of a few like the scandinavian countries, human development is what make them economic powers today and not oil. Take a critical look of the trend today, that anywhere(developing countries) there is oil, crisis and conflicts are very imminent including our country Nigeria.<br />Advise that our political leaders should re focus their attention the human capital development rather than the oil which to my mind has become a curse for Nigeria than blessing.The calling of names and insults on regions and personalities is heating up the polity to the extend that some are thinking Nigeria belongs to them alone as such the others should not voice their concerns.<br />It is high time for the regions to articulate their resources and contribute meaningfully to the nation rather than wait for monthly stipend from the oil proceeds.<br />A word is enough for the wise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-70404754044406461072012-03-16T00:16:20.527+01:002012-03-16T00:16:20.527+01:00Greetings Dr Tilde.
I agree with you that Nigeria...Greetings Dr Tilde.<br /><br />I agree with you that Nigeria is a pluralistic society made up of different peoples, cultures, tribes, religions, laws and natural resources, political affiliations e.t.c and that our diversity is certainly more of a strength than a weakness.<br /><br />In my opinion, all those recently making so much noise about derivation and revenue sharing formula are the benefactors and beneficiaries who share freely from our national cake and are just struggling to out-do each other so as to get even more resources to whet their insatiable appetite. <br /><br />These people are no more than an infinitesimal minority of Nigerians (a population of perhaps no more than half a million people) who have managed to acquire and hold political power by all means for purpose of distributing patronage to their families, friends and few supporters and while also dishing out punishment of illiteracy, poverty, squalor, disease, unemployment, poor wages, child and maternal mortality e.t.c to the teeming majority of Nigerian masses who are considered opponents. <br /><br />The associations and relationships between these power-brokers transcends political affiliations, geo-political divides, tribal or religious affiliations. They are bound mainly by the Naira and Dollar signs which are their symbols of common unity and identity.<br /><br />Talking about the north is talking about Nigeria. The major problem in the north and in Nigeria as a whole is corruption and bad governance - period!!! <br /><br />The Nigerian masses - christians, muslims, animists or atheists whether from Niger Delta, South-South, South-East, South-West or North are ALL equally suffering from this common problem. <br /><br />Our challenge is clear and inescapable, Nigerians must come together to put tribe, religion and politics aside, pull together not pull apart, using our diversity as a strength and agree on a plan to make Nigeria a better place for all citizens by standing up firmly in the fight against corruption and resolutely demanding good governance from our elected officials who must either perform or give way.<br /><br />There is no doubt sir, the problem in the north is real, very serious but is not insurmountable. The solution will be painful. There is no easy way out.<br /><br />What we should have to do if we must begin to slow the tide is perhaps look at EDUCATION to provide some mass-mentoring for our uneducated or poorly educated grown ups as well as ensure better quality teaching with effective guidance and counselling for our school going youngsters. <br /><br />One thing I know is that our multitude of hopeless jobless northern masses must first and very urgently accept the hard, painful and inescapable reality of their cluelessness about how we can get out of our current problems. Next, they have to individually and collectively resolve to genuinely seek the help of those among us who can offer better ideas. The era of denial is over.<br /><br />I do not pretend to have any answers. But I believe we, those of us that are privileged to have had better opportunities, must start somewhere in search of possible solutions to the problems of the north and by extension the problems of Nigeria as a whole. <br /><br />Maybe we begin by having serious conversations in small groups that will offer realistic practicable and very aggressive proposals that will be as serious as the problems we face. We then publicise the initial proposals and enlist the ingenuity and determination of our other people to rise to the challenge and contribute to the debate. Every Nigerian & indeed any non-Nigerian that has an interest will be free to have a say. <br /><br />But we must begin to act now if we want to secure a better future for all our fellow citizens and make Nigeria greater. We cannot continue to rely on government or our so called leaders or keep blaming past leaders, foreign countries or the elites for not helping the less advantaged. <br /><br />We cannot continue to remain passive or put off hard choices any longer. We have a duty to give our children and grandchildren a better life and posterity will judge us.Ismailanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-79556260149810017712012-03-15T23:12:17.945+01:002012-03-15T23:12:17.945+01:00Let us critically look at the percentages allocate...Let us critically look at the percentages allocated in the 2012 budget by all the 19 Northern states.It is pity despite all the insults we have been recieving the present set of Northern Leaders are not ready to change their mind on reckless spending, look at what happened in Sokoto when the Acting Governor squandered billion within a short time in the name of Zabe.They are not ready to move the region forward and therefore the onus is on us to prepare well engage in Politics and change our destiny and that of our children born and unborn otherwise the seed of hatred been sown by our neigbours is fast geminating in multitudes even a Professor could become so low and degraded calling us names talkless of stout like Dokubo.If we are organize the revenue from sales of Food to the south and taxes from their busineses in the North could sustain our Danfodio RepublicAminu Mahmoudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00222604759248684823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-33443963828904342332012-03-15T22:56:32.788+01:002012-03-15T22:56:32.788+01:00Yes, it is also very bitter and a curse. Look at I...Yes, it is also very bitter and a curse. Look at Iraq, Libya and Sudan. They have plenty of oil but are they happy? Do they enjoy its sweetness? Break Nigeria like Sudan and the south will be fighting like Southern Sudan because I cannot see a Yorubaman an Ijawman and an Igboman sleeping on the SAME BED! It is IMPOSSIBLE! The Northern is the binding force and factor in corporate Nigeria. The south can "eat" their oil while the North will eat their rice, maize, beans and vegetables and buy their fuel from Niger republic pending our oil explorstion in Chad, Benue and Bauchi.Babansaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17617068184367476986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-91633311614399566432012-03-15T15:27:36.350+01:002012-03-15T15:27:36.350+01:00This is very good piece Dr. I have always wonder w...This is very good piece Dr. I have always wonder whenever i look at the deteriorating state of the north since the discovery of oil.what are the benefits when comparison is made before and after(I'm talking about the level of poverty). this oil money honey or poison?Auwal Gambonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-46282827448233878892012-03-15T14:52:14.428+01:002012-03-15T14:52:14.428+01:00Who is afraid of the SNC? Who is scared of the sus...Who is afraid of the SNC? Who is scared of the sustenance of the 13% resource control formula for the NDelta? Who is afraid if our 'poor' northern Nigeria is made a new country? Of course the Isa Yuguda's and the IBB's for obvious reasons. I am not because I know we can begin from the scratches and the earlier the better for us and the generation of our children. But I have stopped holding for a region called AREWA.ABUnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-49616593997986436882012-03-15T12:54:31.653+01:002012-03-15T12:54:31.653+01:00"If wishes were horses, everyone would ride o..."If wishes were horses, everyone would ride one". The calmness of the lion has been mistaken for a weakness. My dear Dr. and readers, we have to forgive our erudite Prof. In a nation ruled by ineptitude and mediocrity, it is very easy to slip and condescend to an unpopular opium of the lowly among the society.<br />Thank you Dr. once again and I pray we shall all live to harvest our good intention. No resource is better than HUMAN resource. Oh! Allah, grant us wisdom and love for one another.Abdussalam El-Suleimannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-14768714986038989602012-03-15T12:17:00.170+01:002012-03-15T12:17:00.170+01:00Anon
Dr Tilde you wrote
"I am an example. ...Anon<br /><br />Dr Tilde you wrote <br /><br />"I am an example. I suffered terrible discrimination thrice in the hand of three northern Christians from Kwara state and a fourth one from a Christian brother from southern Zaria."<br /><br />Note how you differentiate between the "Yoruba" from Kwara & "your brother from Southern Zaria" as if the folks form Kwara are 2nd class citizens?<br /><br />See most people love the average Northern but have become tired of being seen and treated as 2nd class citizens. Northern Muslims do not see and treat their Southern brothers of the Muslim Ummah as equals they look down on them. Its hateful but that is the truth. Nigerians have all of a sudden become experts at discrimination. We hate &/or look down on each other but embrace other nationals. Why is there no long term successful business venture between north & south? When it comes to marriage, its almost impossible to see "core" northern ladies (Christian or Muslim) marry southern Nigerian men. But alot of northern men (Christian & Muslim) marry alot of southern Nigerian women. There are so many things wrong with the Nigerian "dream" Its a nightmare. We need to create and nuture a real Nigerian dream where anybody can settle anywhere work raise a family and stay as long as he/she wants and be treated as a citizen not some despicable animal. In terms of acceptance i agree that the north is much more accommodating in this regard that any other part of Nigeria but we should not be stuck in the past but seek to improve and develop the present so we can bequeath a great country to our childrenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-74794852977763939932012-03-15T06:47:58.843+01:002012-03-15T06:47:58.843+01:00Your argument is totally bereft of objectivity sim...Your argument is totally bereft of objectivity simply because you are unable to place yourself in the position of your victims, namely, the people of the Niger Delta whose means of livelihood has been severely impaired as a result of oil exploration. What do they have to show for it? Absolutely nothing. But there are 'indigenes' in Abuja where the oil wealth was sunk who are now quarrelling over what district is named after whom? Do you think the people of the Niger Delta would not have appreciated it if the same rulers from the North that diverted the oil wealth to Abuja had built a mini Abuja in the Niger Delta? We find the average Northerner to be insensitive, selfish and totally repulsive. You spoke of the interdependence of the various parts of the country but Professor Sagay has told you of the concentration of oil blocs in the hands of Northerners. How does that foster cooperation among the various peoples of the country? How many times have Southern minority people acceded to the Presidency of this country? So why the hue and cry to the extent that even Northerners suspected of standing for what is right by supporting Jonathan were objects of attack on grounds that it was the turn of the Northerners. Is there any Northerner that has not ruled Nigeria? Look the amalgamation has not brought anything to Nigeria. It has made the Northerner to be lazy, envious, greedy and totally bereft of the capacity to formulate a strategy to contribute meaningfully to the economic well being of the country. Those who suffer pollution and degradation for the common good will not be eager to place the disbursement of revenue in the hands of those whose parts of the country are economically redundant. 2015 is pregnant with unforeseen consequences. We will protect the oil of the Niger Delta with our blood. It is no more available for every Ahmed, Tilde and Haruna. The time to rejuvenate the economy of the North is now.concernednigeriannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-54864576858794637722012-03-15T03:10:27.462+01:002012-03-15T03:10:27.462+01:00Dr. saying it as it is, has been ur trade mark. Wh...Dr. saying it as it is, has been ur trade mark. Whoever knows or interacts with U, must notice this Fine quality of yours.<br />It's also a rare miracle that despite your stammer, you hardly get provoked. Words Such as the cowardly anonymous' above stires a good laugh in U in place of a furious reaction.Aminu Y. Bombiyonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-14865433427456025662012-03-15T00:57:36.759+01:002012-03-15T00:57:36.759+01:00Malam Tilde, the likes of Sagay have very short me...Malam Tilde, the likes of Sagay have very short memory or none of it. But for the gallant fight by the North to liberate a significant portion of the south=south from the domination of the Yoruba "race" by curving the mid-west, perhaphs he would have been st best a cook, a houseboy or something like that. He should be eternally grateful; but I'm not suprised he is otherwise. The North has comtributed much more than oil to his life-it liberated him and restored his diginity.Malikinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-6028692253499412302012-03-14T20:43:13.455+01:002012-03-14T20:43:13.455+01:00ALIYU,SARKINNYAKIN AREWA !ALIYU,SARKINNYAKIN AREWA !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-52019685208515765052012-03-14T20:21:24.095+01:002012-03-14T20:21:24.095+01:00Haba Mallam Tilde. From your comments under the ar...Haba Mallam Tilde. From your comments under the article, it shows you and Dr Sagay suffer from the same problem. All those you mentioned as having victimized could have victimized you for a variety of reasons. You deliberately chose their religion as an identifier. Have you never been victimized by a Muslim or had a Christian benefactor. With comments like this, I guess one can understand why someone will not consider you worthy of a 2.1.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-72296338357845589182012-03-14T19:20:06.580+01:002012-03-14T19:20:06.580+01:00I think, Nigeria generate revenue between $45b to ...I think, Nigeria generate revenue between $45b to $35b annually from oil; an amount of 90% of her annual revenue income. But one may wonder that the said amount is owned (as a paper fortune) by single individual in developed nations. Say people like Carlos, Bill Gates or Warren Buffet possess twice Nigeria's annual income as their bussiness capital. So, one may ask, what is so special in oil income? Second, expert assert that oil contribute only 10% of world economy while 90% of world economy are accounted by trade and services. Therefore, oil is just a wheel/oiling the trade (ships, cars, trains, tubs, metros and aeroplanes) and services pure and simple. Third, Japan has been operating 49 refineries but they have no single oil well for commercial production. Last, in reality, what makes other nations developed in the world is good leadersip, patriotism and committed policies/agenda not oil. The problems with our leaders: not coming into terms and conditions of reality, fact and sincerity on any matter based on new researches,innovations and creativity. References/further reading------Robert Gilpin,Global Political Economy, 2001, N/Y-----Paul Collier, The Bottom Billion, 2007, London------George Frideman, The Next Hundred Years (100) 2009, N/Y------John Belis & others, The Globalization Of World Politics, 2008, N/Y.Abbati Bakonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-89539553173355266002012-03-14T19:09:25.003+01:002012-03-14T19:09:25.003+01:00Allah Rene, Dr.
You have said it all. Don't mi...Allah Rene, Dr.<br />You have said it all. Don't mind the learned professor. He will always speak like any Niger Deltan when it comes to the sentiment of oil or its control. <br />The long and short of it is that they want to break away and have 100 percent control of their resources. I am not bothered even if the break up happens today. Like Senator Waku said, let them drink their oil. The irony of it is that so long as the crooks among them remain in charge of their affairs nothing will change. Give them all the money in this world it will not touch the lives of the common man there. Does the common man in Delta State now enjoy portable drinking water because the state receives more money from the federal allocation than Jigawa State? In the event of the break up it is our own crooks that will experience change of fortune.<br />I hope Sagay's contribution will wake up our own elders that will want to insist of "pulaaku" or "kara" to all the people all the time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-36165465036602867642012-03-14T18:22:17.249+01:002012-03-14T18:22:17.249+01:00Those who choose to be selectively myopic in think...Those who choose to be selectively myopic in thinking or deliberately refuse to reason objectively on issues concerning the Unity of Nigeria as a nation because of a finite Natural resources are engendering their posterity. Their posterity will not forgive themUmar Sulaimanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15589211597465207858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-79405683254449094352012-03-14T17:24:18.310+01:002012-03-14T17:24:18.310+01:00Dr.Tilde Sir, Very incisive and unbiased analysis....Dr.Tilde Sir, Very incisive and unbiased analysis. But sir, the problem is with the so called northern elites who further divide the north along ethnic and religious lines there by weakening the already BATTERED bond of northern unity. I for one is a victim of Northern discrimination against a fellow Northerner by (name witheld) because of my religion. So blame the religious and tribal bigots claiming to be Northern leader for such Venomous Vituperations against the north by Prof. Sagay. They know our weakness. SHIKENAN!!!!Dr.Emmanuel Mshelizanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522281603276666782.post-70482264045385180892012-03-14T17:19:32.720+01:002012-03-14T17:19:32.720+01:00Dr, The issues of what happen when the oil becomes...Dr, The issues of what happen when the oil becomes dry is not supposed to be of concern to we northerners, rather we should start thinking of how we can live independently of resources from any part of the country. It's very sad and unfortunate that we have vision less and useless set of people as leaders in the North today. They care about nothing except their immediate families. They are now singing of marginalization in revenue sharing, what have they done with the little they 've been collecting? They want more so that the looting will continue.Nigeria will never be good as long as people are just going to Abuja every month end and sign for a free money. I support the south-south people let them have 100% control of their oil money now and stop abusing us because most masses of the north are not really benefiting from the free oil money. A word is enough for a wise!Aliyu Umarnoreply@blogger.com